BQ: Do you consider any of the WS users, your friends? If so, who?|||I think gimmick matches mostly have a negative effect on a wrestlers credibility, being good at a gimmick match gets you more noticed by the fans but takes away from your actual wrestling skills. It doesn't matter who you are if the thing you are known for most is a gimmick match your wrestling skills are overshadowed by that.
Obviously being good at a wide range of gimmick matches is to a wrestlers advantages, like Triple H or not the fact he works most gimmick matches IS to his advantage because it gives his feuds a much needed variety that others don't quite have. Being good at the big "blow off" gimmick match at the end of a feud is really good if you want to stay at the top long term you need to be able to end feuds in more than one way. Compare Triple H's gimmick match variety to Jeff Hardy's, it doesn't matter how you spin it Jeff Hardy feuds will ALWAYS end with a ladder match or TLC match or if we are really lucky, some kind of hardcore match. It might be that Jeff hasn't had the chance to do all the different gimmick matches but its still not in his favour everyone wants to see him in a ladder match.
It can also lead to a wrestler getting a "spot monkey" label, sorry to use him again but Jeff Hardy's good wrestling matches are completely forgotten compared to him jumping off ladders and as such the wrestling he can do is completely overlooked. There is no doubt gimmick matches are needed but being known for one type is reputation damaging, being good at all types of gimmick matches can make a long term main eventer.
BQ: I Hate Everyone... EVERYONE!!!!
Nah i do consider some WS users friends... pretty sure they know who they are and i'm not boosting there ego's by naming them... don't like them that much.|||Well I guess some gimmick matches could be a positive to the wrestler's credibility.
I mean if the gimmick match become their speciality it could really be a positive especially when ending a feud.
An example is The Undertaker vs Edge in SummerSlam 2008.
We all know that's gonna be huge because of this being Taker's speciality match so it added more credibility no only to Taker but also for this match and apperantly also the whole event.
Edge vs Cena Vengeance 2007/6(I think)
This also got Cena credibility knowing Edge is an expert in TLC matches.
So when he won he got mor credibility without even hurting Edge's image if it's regarding the TLC match.
And as usual it also carried the tension that Edge might win(we all knew back then that Cena would win)
It added that little excitement that also made the PPV exciting.
But then if the wrestler is in too many gimmick matches it's just gonna hurt the credibility.
It's becase of how people would expect the same thing from you everytime and if it's not done then it wouldn't be labeled a good match.
Look at CZW I mean they had shown people getting thrown off to a balcony to a table or lightbulbs getting used as a weapons the fans just gets numb to it like-"Oh he gets hit by a lightbulb he'll live"
BQ:
Well those f煤ckerz in the chat|||Well in some ways I think it can help and hurt a career at the same time. It can make you famous, but at the same time leave people wondering if you can do it without the toys and then doubt you're wrestling skills.
The person I'm going to use to prove this is the "Extreme Enigma" Jeff Hardy. His whole career has been overshadowed by Extreme Rules, Steel Cage, Tables, and his two specialtys, TLC and Ladder matches. Lets be honest here, if it wasn't for those matches Jeff probably would be jobbing. He has above average wrestling skills at best.
But heres the thing, even if you don't like Jeff, which I do, you can not say without lieing that the guy can't perform when he has tools to play with. He has COUNTLESS great ladder and TLC matches.
TLC 1 2 and 3
RVD vs Jeff Hardy Ladder Match
Undertaker vs. Jeff Hardy Ladder match
Edge and Christian vs. Hardy Boyz
Triangle Ladder Match Dudleyz vs. Hardyz vs. E %26amp; C
Jeff Hardy vs. Edge
All AMAZING matches. Theres a few I left out but I think I got my point across. He can perform in ladder matches.
There is another way these matches helped his career. Do you think Jeff would have most of his fans if he didn't jump off ladders? I don't think so. There are some true Jeff Hardy marks but most just like him because they think liking him makes them cool cuz hes extreme.
Overall, I think it helped Jeffs career. Without ladders, he would just be another Joey Mercury. He would not have won world titles, or probably any titles if he didn't put his life on the line. Although it gained him a lot of haters, Overall Ladders were good for Jeffs career.
BQ: Yes I do, most people in YWSE. Everyone except UY and Jesh, who I havent got to know yet. So far hes an aquatince.|||well it depends there are many examples of being a gimmick style wrestler that makes it better for them. Then there are some where its worse for them.
One big example is undertaker for it being good. If you really look through his career in the 90s his best matches were gimmick matches which got him very very over with the fans and as popular as he is today really. Even though he is a good wrestler in non gimmick matches if he didnt shine so well in gimmick matches i dont think he would be as popular as he is today with it and would be considered by the fans to be less then what he is. Because alot of wwe only fans are gimmick match crazy. So him being in alot helped him get over more imo.
Edge i another example of it being good. He has been in many great gimmick matches he is like taker. Awesome in gimmicks and can wrestle in non gimmick matches good also. And him being in those tlc matches got him over big time. The thing is he was able to back it up with great wrestling in 2002 - 2006. It has gotten a little worse the past few years in regular matches. But he can still do gimmick matches great, example his feud with taker the tlc match and the hell in a cell great matches.
Bad examples that negatively affect a wrestler one example jeff hardy. He puts on good gimmick matches but hes to much into it. His in ring work when not in gimmick matches is lets just say a little below average. So he used getting over in gimmick matches to much for the iwc where he went to being hated on(myself included). IMO he just relys on putting on great gimmick matches to much while he is letting his regular wrestling fall to the way side over the past 3 years.
Another bad example is really some of the ecw originals that were the hardcore specialists only, they became garbage wrestlers because that was all they could do is beat someone with a chair. Not everyone in ecw was like that but there were quite a few who were. Also czw is like that but 10 times worse. Its all about death matches and beating the crap out of another wrestler with a flourescent lightbulb really, so any wrestler associated with that now usually just gets discredited when there are some good wrestlers that are there its just to gimmick focused and its to much garbage wrestling
BQ: yes i do and its alot, alot of people in efeds i have met|||I think it can actually help a wrestler's credibility, it shows they can be tough. I don't think Edge would be as popular as he is today if it wasn't for TLC, same with The Hardy's and Christian.
BQ: I've never actually met any of the users on here, I would really have to meet them in person before I could consider one a friend.|||I believe it might. In a wrestler麓s gimmick match, he is almost destined to win, but this is not always the case. For example, Abyss does not win most of his Destruction Ball matches, Undertaker does win a lot of his Casket matches.
BQ: I consider some WS user my friends, I guess I would have to say Jesh and Kurt Angle.|||yeah i consider few of the users but can't disclose. few are my contacts in yahoo answers.
well about the gimmick the attitude era used to give good gimmicks but these 3rd generation superstars mm........ not so good . take taker, kane unmasked ,dx , austin and many more but now. take funaki, festus, priceless, cryme time etc. wwe has realy gone down just because of this pg era. few people think it's because of cena. do you agree?|||Depending on how well they perform in the match it gives them more name recognition. For instance, when people think of ladder matches they think of guys like Jeff Hardy and Shawn Michaels. When they think of Hell in a Cell matches they think of guys like The Undertaker.
BQ: I don't consider anyone here my friend since I don't know anybody.|||Well for some yes, but for other's, without them they'd be no where. Examples of that are Edge and Jeff Hardy. I'm not saying Edge couldn't wrestle but those TLC matches is really what put him in the main spotlight in WWE. Jeff's extreme style also shot him into stardom with the WWE and the fans.
BQ: Sandy, Shawn (BCC), Luke, Brendan (WBHF), Emily (Mrs. Paparazzi), Justin (rkolegacy), Melvin (Da D3aDmAn), Jason (Lionhart Chris Jericho), Matt (Matt Swagger), Dana (Lita B!tchez), Sabrina (Fizzllama), Jen (Out of control Diva) and a few others I can't think of right now.|||it depends if a wrestler has made a his success in match eg. jeff hardy ladder.than yes because if he has a bad ladder match everybody says he can't wrestle in the ladder match anymore.|||I dunno
BQ:A Few, my friends make occasional apprences in this section.|||stereotypes them? mick foley- i jus never took him too seriously after a while.|||well to me it dont really it dont|||idk
bq: ummmm i dunno really, ya i gess the nice ones|||name a gimmick match and ill tell u
BQ nope|||It all depends how it goes down the road, If the fans like it, WWE will build on it.
Festus has a bad gimmick. An example of a good gimmick would be Undertaker and Kane
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